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NG: A Hateful and Hypocritical Community?

Posted by WaterShake - September 1st, 2010


NG:A Hateful and Hypocritical Community?
At times, if you look at NG objectively, it seems as if we're a spiteful, hateful and hypocritical community. But surely this can't be true? Let's delve further into the issue.

If you spend time on the Forum section of Newgrounds, (or perhaps more specifically, the General forum) then you will most likely be exposed to some form of anger. Anger is ok. It's a natural human emotion, and is quite prevalent amongst white western male teenagers (the largest social demographic of Newgrounds). It's the nature of the anger that irks me.

The anger isn't constructive or productive in anyway. The anger isn't channelled into a source of motivation. It's not a spark to ignite change. It's not used in any immediately productive way. It's projected at others. It's projected at pop icons

Let's look at what some of our community members have to say about someone they haven't ever met.

At 6/15/10 09:17 AM, leftBrain wrote:
: I don't know why, but he gives off sickening vibes. That's why I hate him. I think it's his narcissistic expression.

At 6/15/10 09:50 AM, XPWN wrote:
: Bieber is a little faggot who got castrated and is fucked in the ass. And has shit music.

Charming. The anger is projected at popular communities.

Let's look at what some of our fellow community members have to say about a completely open armed, popular internet community; YouTube

At 8/6/10 02:46 PM, psychicpebble wrote:
: I can't fucking stand them. They're all so stupid.
: People are just idiots. Every comment is "Thumbs up if-" or they just quote something from the youtube video. Not to mention the loads and loads of 12 year olds and memes that stopped being funny in 2006. I just can't stand them.
: Overall, it is the worst place on the internet, the absolute bottom

People often comment on the "stupidity" of the YouTube community, they say that a quick look at the comments section tells you enough about the site. If thats the case, what does a quick look at the review section within our flash section tell us. Let's have a look shall we. Heres some reviews posted on yesterdays top 5

"I think this game is better than warcraft great job dude!"
"the perfect song to go to a bar listening to, thank Jebus!!!"
"i lol'd at this"
"The best game ever"
"that was ok......"
"awesome retro"

Perhaps we shouldn't throw stones in glass houses?

This anger is also projected inwards. People are overly hostile to each other, at times it feels like you have to browse the BBS walking on eggshells to avoid causing chaos. In some instances, merely offering an alternative viewpoint, or pointing out potential flaws in logic is enough to provoke a torrent of anger.

Let's take a look at some examples

At 9/2/10 03:20 AM, Im-A-Pirate wrote:
You make shitty threads.
At 9/2/10 03:18 AM, Im-A-Pirate wrote:
Why should we give a shit?
At 9/2/10 03:21 AM, Im-A-Pirate wrote:
At 9/2/10 03:19 AM, twilightown wrote:
exactly.
why should we give a shit?
I don't fucking know, you're the one who copy and pasted this stupid shit and then posted it here.
At 9/1/10 11:24 PM, Im-A-Pirate wrote:
Just what we need, another youtube video game reviewer.

Fuck off.

At 9/1/10 04:43 AM, Im-A-Pirate wrote:
Seriously, please give up. You've become the idiots you're trying to make fun of. There is no wit in your insults, bad joke delivery, and you just look like a fucking tool.

At 8/31/10 05:32 PM, Im-A-Pirate wrote:
At 8/31/10 05:15 PM, RDSchley wrote:
lol gamestop. Seriously, the only people who would do a gamestop poll are the final fantasy fags: the only people who think a video game store is 'hip' and 'cool'
Gamespot you fucking retard, not gamestop.

Anyway, how come Pyramid Head didn't make it onto this list?

At 8/30/10 05:55 AM, Im-A-Pirate wrote:
At 8/30/10 05:35 AM, Tribalfusion-X wrote:
This thread has potential!
Yes, maybe on a forum with actual comedically talented people. But not on newgrounds.
At 9/1/10 07:13 PM, Im-A-Pirate wrote:
OH HAR HAR HAR, Get it guys? These fine gentlemen are saying phrases which under normal circumstances they would not say were they actually engaging in intercourse with a significant other.

HOW FUCKIN FUNNY!

Can't you guys think up something funny just fucking once?
All this perhaps suggest that maybe it's not just anger. Perhaps insecurity plays a factor as well. Maybe it's our dissatisfaction with ourselves, that causes us to act this way. It's hard to say, and it's best to avoid generalising.

It's easy to poorly portray a community. Perhaps I have poorly portrayed Newgrounds here. But i'm sure a long time member here, will at least have an inkling of what i'm talking about.

Regardless, I hope that we can mature collectively, and get past petty, trivial rivalries.

What are your thoughts on this NG?
Note, I love this community, and have no plans to leave or such like. But as mentioned above, there are some elements of it, like the pointless, petty arguing (that I am ironically contributing to) that I just find exasperating.

Some elements of the NG community are wonderful. I've had many great experiences within the various forums and have had many interesting and entertaining conversations. Many of the people within this community are thoroughly entertaining and pleasant, but a minority paint a negative image of the community.


Comments

yes the NG community is one of the most immature, hateful and disgusting communities i've ever stumbled upon

never going back to that NG forum ever again...

Some elements of the NG community are wonderful. I've had many great experiences within the various forums and have had many interesting and entertaining conversations.

I agree with you. Most people on this website
are Racist mean faggots who do nothing more
than go and Hurt People's feelings!
I with ya Bro! :)

Superb!

You type alot... shall i say.. good job?

Feel free.

I admit, I myself am sick and tired of NGer's who complain about Justin Bieber, it's mostly because many members here are jealous about him and decide to hate him for no reason at all, I myself don't like his music but I don't hate him but I suspect many hate him because of what he is, a rich and famous kid, it makes no sense whatsoever, it never made sense to hate someone who did nothing wrong to you and worse of all wishing him death as I seen on an old topic someone wishes he get's assassinated and posted a post of pure hate against him, these people need to get a life imo.

It is quite silly. Why people would get so worked up over him is beyond me. I could understand it perhaps if he behaved like a dick, or such like. But he's not, he's just a kid, living his dreams.

If you join Newgrounds, you've got to expect this. If you don't like being around it, leave it. I've been here since '05, & I've got say that NG has saved my life, literally, on more then one occasion thanks to the help & support most of the usual members that log in each day. You cut the occasional slack from stupid comments you make, and you cut others as well, but I've never heard off anyone taking a comment on Newgrounds so bad that they off themselves. Myspace has this title.

As I said, I have no intention of leaving. I'm happy here, i'm just publishing that i'm sure many people have considered from time to time.

NG isn't inherently bad. But it can be needlessly depressive at times.

hate hate hate i want your hate

No no darling your doing it wrong. She wants our LOVE.

Exactly, you see it's natural that there are fuck-wits who hate celebrities and people who are people that are rich, it is jealousy and people get worked over by it.

You're too smart for Newgrounds. Keep it up :)

Obviously, my presence shows I disagree.

It's been like this since before I joined here. A lot of people on the forums are dumb fucks and they're pretty much the reason I left there last month

Whoops, I mean two months ago.

I think the BBS, or more specifically, the General section is fine. I don't mind the pointless and thoughtless arguing and complaining going on. It seems to me majority of people are just trying to keep themselves entertained when there's nothing else to do. Making people angry over the internet seems to be a popular pastime that, for whatever reason, they find humorous.

On a similar note, I don't think you can really trust all of the people saying they hate Justin Bieber or whatever else is popular these days -- chances are, most of them have listened to one or no songs of his after realizing that the rest of the internet was blindly hating him and decided to follow suit.

I can understand how someone who posts looking for a more serious discussion could find things like that frustrating, but it IS possible to have an intelligent conversation, if you're willing to wade through the throngs of people that are simply posting to get a negative response.

What is amusing, though, is that the same people that inexplicably hate everyone for having a different opinion are often the ones wanting a real discussion.

Everyone is a hypocrite in some way.

I understand that people are using the site as a means of entertainment. Everyone is, we all just have different understandings of entertainment. I may be being ignorant, close minded and obnoxious, but I can't imagine whats entertaining about hostility. Each to their own though.

Interestingly enough it seems as though people have just learnt what to expect from my threads, and thus don't read them if it's not what they're into. This suits me fine.

You can't make assumptions about a whole community just from one small handful of people.

Hence "It's easy to poorly portray a community. Perhaps I have poorly portrayed Newgrounds here."

Furthemore, even peoples responses to this post imply that others have experience, and know what i'm talking about:

"A lot of people on the forums are dumb fucks and they're pretty much the reason I left there last month"

"I wish for once that the NG community would be mature but that won't be happening anytime soon. I get over it though and move on."

"yes the NG community is one of the most immature, hateful and disgusting communities i've ever stumbled upon"

"I agree with you."

"Exactly, you see it's natural that there are fuck-wits who hate celebrities and people who are people that are rich, it is jealousy and people get worked over by it."

"If you join Newgrounds, you've got to expect this. If you don't like being around it, leave it. "

"I myself am sick and tired of NGer's who complain about Justin Bieber"

"Everyone on the BBS(well on General anyways)are either jackasses that don't know shit, assholes that want to make you angry and then later laugh at your anger, or smart asses that just say stupid shit just to raise their ePenis stats."

You wordy bastard you, and I'm a wordy bastard too.

Anyway, I don't really think you've managed to insinuate or even portray anyone in any real poor light- NG is what it is, and people will use it to unleash their frustration at life on other users. The community is as much a way of release as it is of entertainment and communication.

Why would I say that most of the anger is re-directed from life? Well, looking through the comments, no-one has really done anything untoward anyone worthy of such directed hate, such directed anger. Troll begets troll begets troll, and with people jumping on bandwagons and, as I said before, re-directing all their frustration, hate, and otherwise offensiveness into the forums, all this hate is illusory and auxiliary - it's all unnecessary, at the very least, it's just, well, a way of release.

I wouldn't really blame them too much for their actions - short of completing sorting out everyone's life and making people realize there's more fun to be had on the internet then shooting each other, then it won't really change. But, I'm sure that most people are aware of this "issue" (I'm pretty sure that, for General at least, the hate is somewhat essential to keeping such a vibrant assortment of regulars) and aren't really willing to change it.

Who knows, maybe one day people will get bored of tearing each other apart. I doubt it, but you've raised the issue through your blog and who knows, maybe a good percentage will read it and reflect.

I agree with most of your points, anyhow.

Ideally, I would encourage everyone to reflect.

If everyone pauses, and thinks about what they are doing; then I'd be happy. I don't care if they don't change, I don't care if they do change. I just want people to be more aware of what they're doing. If they see something they want to change about themselves, it's their responsibility to change it. If they don't; fine.

I like how you are one the few people who put much thought into all of their posts. The BBS needs you kind of guys.

Perhaps.

I think the BBS need something bolder.

Wow, you sound so smart.

Don't I just.